By PATRICK WALSH
AFTER the critical and commercial success
of Rocky Balboa, which I adored, who can blame Sylvester
Stallone for wanting to bring another of his iconic characters
back to the big screen? Rocky Balboa surprised people with how
heartfelt and genuinely moving it was. "Rambo"(yes, it's just
called "Rambo" now) will shock people with how serious and
shockingly violent it is. Set against the very real, very
disturbing situation in Burma, Rambo finds Stallone on a
mission to rescue a group of missionaries from sadistic
Burmese soldiers.
Q: Do you ever imagine a world where you
shot the original ending of the novel "First Blood" (John
Rambo commits suicide), and you hadn't had "Rambo" with you
all these years?
Stallone: "Yeah, I think about that all
the time. I had that debate with Quentin Tarantino, and he was
vehement that I made a mistake. On an artistic level, he's
probably right. But at the time, I had been spending a lot of
time doing research with veterans, and it seemed like this
terrible, nihilistic...they just reveled in complete despair.
And at that time, we had had almost a quarter of a million
Vietnam suicides. So I thought, do I want to end it on that
note? Or make him more of a victim who has been created to do
a job, does a job, comes home, and no longer fits in? It's
like training a pit bull. You train a dog to become a killer
and now what do you do? You gotta put him down. But what
happens if that pit bull gets loose and you realize he's not
as bad as you think, you can somehow redeem him. I thought
that was more of an interesting story. As Kirk Douglas says,
"Not artistic, but commercial!"
Q: Did you have to go back and look at the
previous "Rambo" movies to get back into character?
Stallone: "The ponderousness that comes
with aging, the sense of weight, knowledge, knowing too much,
lack of naivete, which has happened in my life, sort of set
the stage for me. I wanted 'Rambo' to be heavier, bulkier -
that's why his first line of the movie is pretty negative,
he's given up. The other 'Rambos' had a bit too much energy,
they were a little too spry. I'm not trying to run myself
down, but there was much more vanity involved. It was all
about body movement, rather than just the ferocity. This
character, to me, is much more interesting. I like 'First
Blood' and I like this one. So it's like the first 'Rocky' and
the last - 'Rocky Balboa.' Everything in between is kind of
trying to figure out what I should do."
Q: Can you talk about the tone of the
movie? A lot of people might go in expecting the gratification
of seeing "Rambo" return and kill a lot of people, but the way
you depict the violence is really unflinching and intense.
Stallone: "I had to live up to a
certain responsibility, because people are dying in Burma as
we are making the film. Therefore, to just have me running
through the film doing these extraordinary heroics would
demean what they're going through. They had to have their
moment, where you see their village is decimated. I don't know
if that other 'Rambo' stuff would fly today. I think the
audience really wants something that's hard-hitting, but has a
semblance of reality. We didn't want to go too far. In the
'80s we got away with murder. You're jumping out of a plane?
'I don't need a parachute!' Somehow you made it, you landed on
a convertible roof or something. This time, I decided I'm
really going to show it, and the violence has to be extremely
brutal, because we see people beheaded on television. How much
harder can you go? You can't water it down. And that was a big
bone of contention. They asked me if I could do a film about a
caper, like a movie about a corrupt CIA guy, and he was trying
to sell plutonium rods, and I said no. The biggest and most
interesting crisis in the world is the human crisis, and it
never gets boring. It goes back to Shakespeare. You don't need
a gimmick, it's just man against man, and their intolerance of
each other."
Q: Was it challenging making these iconic
characters - "Rocky" and "Rambo" - relevant 15 years later?
Stallone: "If I were trying to go after a youth
audience, and trying to make it hip and using a certain kind
of music or whatever, I think that would be pretty obvious and
it would be rejected. There are some things that never change,
universal truths, and as you get older they become more and
more apparent. About how difficult life is, like the speech in
'Rocky Balboa' about taking the punches life gives you. And
the young people, who supported 'Rocky Balboa' more than even
people my age, really enjoy and embrace those kind of lessons,
and I think the lesson presented in 'Rambo' - that war is hell
and there is no winner, ever - will translate. After a man or
a woman takes that journey, there's always hope that he or she
can go back home, that there's always some gateway back to
peace. Peace of mind, where you can start to rebuild. That's
the main thing I hope works in this one, and I think it does,
because these are just universal truths that never change.
Everybody wants freedom, everybody wants peace of mind, but it
comes with a horrible price."